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patrick_777 10-04-2008 04:12 PM

Change the sparkplug
 
Since there wasn't a concise thread on this, I decided to post a few pics of how to get access to and remove the sparkplug from the GZ. This is detailed in the manual, with pictures even, but the scan quality isn't the best and it always helps a little having more detailed pictures.

I used the OEM toolkit for the procedure. The sparkplug wrench is 4th from the left, and when paired with the screwdriver extension (3rd from left), works very well and has no problems fitting into the relatively tight space. I added some cotter pins, a sparkplug gap tool and a pair of needlenose pliers to my kit.

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The sparkplug is accessed from the left side of the bike:
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You have to remove the cylinder head cover plate with the small allen wrench.
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Find the sparkplug wire boot and remove it by pulling up. You may have to finagle it a bit to get it to completely clear the plug top without binding up against the tank. Be careful not to crimp or break the wire or wire casing.
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Use the sparkplug removal tool or a metric deep socket with a small extension to remove the plug. Remember, rotate counter-clockwise to remove it.
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Clean the cylinder hole, and be careful not to drop dirt or grime onto the top of the piston. Notice the "shipping" stains on the heat dissipation fins. This is not an oil leak.
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Reverse these steps to install a new plug. Don't forget to gap the new plug to the correct setting (0.6-0.7mm / 0.024"-0.028") before you install it. Tighten it with your fingers first, then torque it correctly (18N-m or 13 ft-lbs). This is generally only 1/8th turn of the plug past finger tight. NO MORE. You do not want to strip the plug threads nor damage your block.

Enjoy.

Easy Rider 10-04-2008 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by patrick_777
Clean the cylinder hole, and be careful not to drop dirt or grime onto the top of the piston.

Excellent post. :2tup:

Just one comment from a REAL bad personal experience:

Clean around the base of the plug BEFORE you remove it. Compressed air is best. Loosen it and then blow again BEFORE removing the plug.

Wonder why I say this? Honda 550 Nighthawk. 4 plugs. 3 came out no problem. When removing the wrench and plug on the 4th, I see a small, round rock roll through the hole and INTO THE CYLINDER. One giant AW CRAP! :skull:

deputydogg2763 10-07-2008 01:26 AM

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Very Helpful. Thanks for your help! I looked in the How section before I posted on it. Good to know that there is one now. This is a very helpful forum.

patrick_777 10-07-2008 02:39 AM

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No problem.

04-07-2009 12:57 PM

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Hi everyone I am new here and just got myself a 2005 Suzuki GZ250 just last week!
While here on the subject of sparkplugs does anyone know the sparkplug #for NGK ? thanks!

adrianinflorida 04-07-2009 01:30 PM

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BR8HSA

blaine 02-17-2010 12:26 AM

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Plug is a 17mm deep socket

Maggie 02-17-2010 01:19 AM

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Love, love, love the post and pics, Patrick! Thanks. Now, can you explaain what the "shipping stains" are and the cause? I thought mine were an oil leak.

alanmcorcoran 02-17-2010 04:37 AM

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Bikes (and cars) that come from Japan are often coated with a greasy or waxy substance to protect metal parts against salty seabreeze/etc. This coating is typically removed by the dealer. However I'm guessing that perhaps there are hard to get to places (on the fins perhaps?) where it is NOT removed but it eventually melts or puddles below the fins.

When I worked in an auto dealer all the Nissans (Datsuns back then) came off the truck with the wax on them. (It's name escapes me now, but I think it began with a "C")

Sarris 02-17-2010 06:52 AM

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Cosmolene. Mineral spirits will easily remove.

:)

patrick_777 02-18-2010 01:30 AM

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I love the smell of Cosmolene in the morning.

alanmcorcoran 02-18-2010 02:51 AM

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Thanks Sarris, that's the stuff.

I sort of remembered that name but it sounded so stupid (kind of like a cross between Cosmo and Maybelline) that I thought I must have got my circuits crossed. In the early eighties (when Reagan imposed the "voluntary" quotas on the Japanese cars) we could (and had to) sell our meager monthly allocation of Nissans for well above list. Removing the Cosmolene was one of the many inventive fees we added on (along with pinstripes, floor mats, fabric protectant, paint sealant and undercoating. When you think about it, those last two are kind of like putting the Cosmolene back on.)

alantf 02-18-2010 06:52 AM

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I remember back in 1973, buying a Datsun Sunny, & discovering that the floor appeared to be made out of baked bean cans, The first ( & real messy job!) was to underseal the car. I didn't keep it for long, because at 5' 10" I was too tall to fit in it comfortably. I subsequently found that the Japs hadn't realised that the Europeans were much taller than themselves, so had built cars that were only big enough for the small Japs. The build quality was also atrocious, & I Discovered that in Japan, their cars had to be tested annually, & at the seven year test they had to be virtually stripped down & rebuilt with new parts. This was so expensive that it was cheaper, in Japan, to scrap a seven year old car & buy another new one. This meant that they built cars that were built to fall apart at 6 years 11 months - not realising that in England cars were meant to last for a minimum of 15 years.

They were also velly clafty! In 1980 I was working in a factory, in Sheffield, that made springs & anti roll bars for world wide car manufacturers. The guys there told me that they used to make these parts for Datsun, but, a few years back, the Datsun bosses asked if they could visit the factory. These Wily Oriental Gentlemen duly arrived, armed with the ever present cameras, & proceded to photograph everything. Guess what! When the contract came up for renewal, it was found that they had quietly built a spring/anti roll bar factory in Japan, & didn't need our services anymore.

Just as an aside - We used to have bumper stickers to put on our Jap cars - "I'm backing Blitain" (sic)

alanmcorcoran 02-18-2010 12:34 PM

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Yes, English cars have always been known for their quality and reliability here stateside. :whistle:

Suzuki_Girl_41 05-24-2011 01:11 AM

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I just wanted to say Thank you for this valuable information.

I am trying to get my '03 Suzuki GZ250 up and running again after 2 or 3 years of sitting and found this information very easy to follow. I replaced the dead battery Friday with one of those new tech Acid-Gel media types and viola, I have power, it cranks but no turnover. I investigated some more and found that the spark plug was not the issue prevening it from starting (but hey, I learned how to change a spark plug on my bike! :). There is something preventing the spark, possibly a broken wire some where? I guess that would mean removing the tank in order to find the damage? Or could there be another (easier) explanation and fix?

I would appreciate any leads offered as I have my Motorcycle Ohio class beginning this Friday at 6PM.

Thanks

Water Warrior 2 05-24-2011 01:58 AM

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Did you drain the tank and put in fresh gas ? Did you put the fuelcock in the prime position for a minute to prime the carb ? The GZ normally has carb problems when left to it's own devices for a long period of time.

Suzuki_Girl_41 05-24-2011 02:03 AM

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ok, but what would explain the no spark to the spark plug?

Water Warrior 2 05-24-2011 02:07 AM

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I would pull the tank and start tracing the wires. Also check the fuses first with a meter to verify they are good. Was the bike in storage where mice and other rodents could get at the wiring ? Oh yeah, check the air filter for a small nest too. You may have to displace some small neighbors.

Suzuki_Girl_41 05-24-2011 02:21 AM

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Yes, I did find evidence of furry critters and this is not the first time these pests have invaded where they weren't welcome(they nested on my in-line 4 between the spark plug wires and chewed through the insulation)...so then you would say it is pretty likely they chewed a critical wire? Ok, well no easy fix but that is ok...at least I know what I will be doing tomorrow. :)

Thank you
PS the spark plug wire looks to be in good shape from what I can see...until it gets lost behind/under the tank.

Water Warrior 2 05-24-2011 03:04 AM

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Keep us informed about your progress. Good hunting.

mavrix 11-26-2011 08:10 PM

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I changed my spark plug today and it was super easy thanks to this post... thank you for posting this Patrick!

chandlerbingfl 01-06-2012 03:25 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patrick_777
Tighten it with your fingers first, then torque it correctly (18N-m or 13 ft-lbs). This is generally only 1/8th turn of the plug past finger tight. NO MORE. You do not want to strip the plug threads nor damage your block.

Enjoy.

I follwed your steps but when replacing w/ a new plug I can only turn w/ fingers a few turns. It appeared to start properly but I had to use a socket to get it to turn further.

I immediately found your post, read it and tried it again. I can only turn the plug a few turns before it gets hard to turn unless using a socket. I checked the threads on the original plug as well as the new plug after removal and the threads look clean so I seriously doubt any kind of striping of the threads. Can I use some WD-40 on the threads?

Thanks!
Chandler

blaine 01-06-2012 03:44 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
Yes,you can use some WD-40 on the threads.Did the old plug come out easily? If so there may be some carbon on the threads.
:) :cool:

JWR 01-06-2012 04:46 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
The head threads will strip or cross thread before the plug.

WD 40, oil, or anti seize will work.

chandlerbingfl 01-06-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
Thanks for the replies! I used WD-40 and it did thread a bit easier.... Tightened it w/ the socket and good to go...

Unfortunately my starting problem is more battery related that plug but the plug was due for a change anyway....

Thanks again for the great resource!
Chandler

cibolorider 01-16-2012 02:21 PM

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I thought the spark plug wrench was 18mm. This post says 17mm. Can anyone straighten me out on this?

blaine 01-16-2012 04:23 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gz Rider
By measuring the sparkplug tool against a 17, 18 and 19mm socket with a caplier, I find the Suzuki Sparkplug tool closest to if not an exact match of the 18mm socket.

Keep in mind I don't think just any 18mm socket will do it because the plug is pretty tight in there. I've not heard of anyone being able to use anything other than the Sukuki tool.

18mm thin wall socket will fit.That's all I ever used. :) :cool:

cibolorider 01-16-2012 07:45 PM

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Thanks guys, that's what I thought.

Road_Clam 02-13-2012 04:23 PM

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Great tip ! Me personally STRONGLY advise using a dab of antisieze on the plug threads. My personal rule of thumb "almost" any bolt that comes out and I observe the imfamous "white powder" on the threads gets antisiezed. The only bolts I don't antisieze are sprocket bolts and brake caliper bolts, those get Loctited ! :2tup:

Rider 02-16-2012 05:20 AM

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now that bike has a nice paintjob, is it from factory or did you painted it? silver+black+a red line, thats beautyful

DonSifu 07-08-2013 09:37 AM

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my issue is removing the tank to get access to the plug. i could not get the rubber gas hose off, completely stuck. any tips or tricks for safely removing the hose without damaging it?

alantf 07-08-2013 09:44 AM

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Why do you want to remove the tank? To access the plug, you just need an allen key to remove the two allen bolts, holding the left hand cover above the engine. Remove this plate, and you can get straight to the plug.

DonSifu 07-08-2013 03:29 PM

Re: Change the sparkplug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alantf
Why do you want to remove the tank? To access the plug, you just need an allen key to remove the two allen bolts, holding the left hand cover above the engine. Remove this plate, and you can get straight to the plug.

according to my manual i need to do so to get at the plug. and i tried what you suggested but the angle is such that the tank is in the way. i have a 2009. please advise

alantf 07-09-2013 03:34 AM

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[attachment=0:3tl584de]img113.jpg[/attachment:3tl584de][attachment=1:3tl584de]b36.jpg[/attachment:3tl584de]It would appear that the manual is wrong!!!!!!!!! Using the spark plug wrench that Susuki supply, is awkward, but you certainly don't have to remove the tank, and the owner's manual that came with the bike certainly didn't tell you to remove the tank - just the plate. I've included a picture of the wrench, and a picture of the page in the manual. Bujia is the Spanish word for plug. The section on the right shows the two bolts holding the plate, then how to remove the plug.


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