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xt477 05-31-2007 09:53 PM

Needle shim modification
 
I spent part of today talking to "THE" GZ mechanics. They run a state motorcycle safety class with almost 500 rebels and GZ's. I was telling him about my want to perform the shim procedure and he tells me that the best way to accomplish this is to drill the cap off of the pilot jet crank it closed lightly and then open it by 2.5 turns. Factory is usually around 1.5. He says that shimming will dump too much gas potentially causing exhaust back firing.

Will be a year before I find out but thought someone else might use this info.

Dupo 06-01-2007 12:14 AM

Well, sounds plausible. I went 2.5 turns out on mine after i put the aftermarket muffler on it. Before doing it, i would count the turns IN till it closed and make sure that its approx 1.5 turns factory setting. 1 full turn is alot ... i'd be checking plugs constantly to make sure its not running too rich.

Cant hurt to try though!

Easy Rider 06-01-2007 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dupo
Well, sounds plausible. I went 2.5 turns out on mine after i put the aftermarket muffler on it. Before doing it, i would count the turns IN till it closed and make sure that its approx 1.5 turns factory setting. 1 full turn is alot ... i'd be checking plugs constantly to make sure its not running too rich.

Cant hurt to try though!

I'm determined not to do any radical mods. (ordered the 16T sprocket) but this sounds like it might be benefitial (and reversible) and I just hate those plugs in general.

Anybody else done this adjustment on a bone stock bike? Any obvious benefit?

I've got no complaints now but running just a tiny bit richer might help it pull with the taller gear ????? :??:

Gadzooks Mike 06-01-2007 10:12 AM

I have made two changes to my stock 2006 GZ - The needle shim mod and the 16T mod. If I had to do it over again, I would have done them both the day I got the bike home from the dealer.

majorgz 10-10-2010 12:01 AM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
so just changing the air fuel mixture screw is the same as shimming the carb ????

blaine 10-10-2010 12:28 AM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by majorgz
so just changing the air fuel mixture screw is the same as shimming the carb ????

The air fuel mixture is a single adjustment done with the bike running.Shimming the needle jet is a lot more involved and requires removing & dissembling the carburetor.This is explained extensively in "HOW TO'S".This can be difficult if you are not familiar with carbs.

:rawk: :2tup:

Easy Rider 10-10-2010 11:07 AM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by majorgz
so just changing the air fuel mixture screw is the same as shimming the carb ????

NO.
The mixture screw mostly affects speeds at idle or near to idle with small throttle openings.
The shim affects mostly mid-range throttle positions.
The main jet is for higher RPMs at wide throttle positions.

(Blaine: Perfect!!) :biggrin:

majorgz 10-10-2010 11:29 PM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
ok thanks i will keep that in mind thank you

majorgz 10-12-2010 08:58 PM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
just got my pipe on and i dont need to do anything just slipped it on and a little welding. sounds bad ass really happy. now all them bad drivers can hear me coming.

Easy Rider 10-12-2010 09:25 PM

Re: Needle shim modification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by majorgz
now all them bad drivers can hear me coming.

Don't count on it.
All that extra noise is projected BACKWARDS from the bike.....and won't get any extra attention where you need it the most.


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