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blaine 08-20-2017 11:19 PM

S83 for a M50
 
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Well it happened......Traded my 05 S83 for a 07 M50.I really wanted the FI & cast wheels......Plus I'm not getting any younger & wanted more comfort & ease of handling.I hope I don't regret this.This is my third Suzuki.....Guess it shows what brand I lean towards.

Vegas Street Rider 08-21-2017 01:21 PM

Very nice! Enjoy.

Razorburns 08-21-2017 07:24 PM

Both of them are nice looking bikes!

Water Warrior 2 10-19-2017 08:02 AM

You will love the M-50. Lynda had her 07 and it was a treat to ride for both of us. The 50 is more modern and nearly fool proof too. Easy to maintain and fun to add stuff too. The right side panel can be removed and you will find a fair bunch of room for a fuse panel and relays if you want to add electrical stuff. U.S. models have a cannister in there but we get space in Canada.

blaine 10-19-2017 03:41 PM

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Yep....Love it so far.....The only down fall I have found is the can chain tensoners tend to fail about 40000 miles.(65000 KM)....They are buried deep in the engine & require a complete removal & tear down to replace ($2000.00)Most just replace the engine......Kinda disappointing in a water cooled modern engine that should see 100000 easily......What a poor design to not have the tensoners on the outside of the engine....Up dated pic.

Vegas Street Rider 10-19-2017 05:26 PM

Great looking bike, but that is a lot of coin for what should be a fairly reasonable maintenance issue. Not well thought out IMHO. Every bike has it's quirks or design issues. If you really love the bike though, it will be worth the expense. Do like I do, set aside money for future expenses for your toys. Safe riding.

blaine 10-19-2017 08:05 PM

Na....Thats a deal breaker for me.Most bikes have quirkes in their design...But this a over all bad design with a known tensoner flaw that Suzuki won't admit or redesign a better tensoner.....I assume in case it would lead to a recall..There are a lot of Boulevard 800 in circulation. ...Im used to having bikes that go 100000 with normal maintenance.I put on between 14000 & 18000km a year.To pay that kind of money just to get to the tensoners is beyond what Im willing to spend on something that will do the same thing again.If there was a newer updated tensoner design than I would think differently.As I said most just replace the whole engine/transmission with a low mileage unit.A great bike for someone that only puts a few thousand K on a year.She just turned 40000km(25000 Miles) so in spring she will be going to a new home while everything is still quiet & working well.......Kinda sad that I put almost 50000km on my GZ with no major problems & a newer bigger more modern design can do no more.

Water Warrior 2 10-28-2017 06:28 PM

I have to agree with the bad design and a failure for Suzuki to design a better system. I have been told it is one of their most popular models and a money maker for them. Both the M50 and C50 have the same engine so I would have to think they won't be getting any return customers. Once bit, twice shy. :tdown:

Vegas Street Rider 10-28-2017 07:42 PM

That's really sad because they are a great rider. I know that other vehicle manufacturers have weird built-in design flaws that perhaps are a way for dealers to pad their labor revenues. It is a shame and probably unethical unless these engineers are just plain stupid and I truly doubt that.

blaine 10-28-2017 08:04 PM

I think what it boils down too is that it is considered a "Stepping stone" bike & will not be kept long or put a lot of miles on before "Upgrading".....Their bigger engines are a better design....The 1400 is Self adjusting valves & no design flaws & easily go 100000 with no problems........My fault...I never did enough research before I took ownership.......As I stated in the spring she will be sold/traded for something bigger more reliable design......I'm hoping I can find a M90 that I like.

alantf 10-29-2017 05:47 AM

Don't talk to me about cam chains !!!!!! Last week Jan's daughter's Renault was in for repair, so she borrowed our Citroen c3. It's 14 years old, but it's only done 122000 km (around 76000 miles) (small island) She was driving down the autopista (freeway?) when the timing belt decided to shatter. Luckily she managed to get across to the shoulder, and got the recovery to get her to the Citroen dealer. It's just cost me €975 (just over $1100) to get the engine rebuilt. >:(

blaine 10-29-2017 07:29 AM

Ouch.....Most cars with a timing belt recommend replacement at 100000 Km.....Most cars today are a close interference engine.....Meaning that if a belt breaks the valves hit the pistons & you have heavy damage.....There are a few that are not "Close interference" engines.......Dodge being one......Kia 2.4 have two timing belts on them that cost just about $750.00....I have a Honda civic that I just had replaced at 190000 Km.......Total cost.....$240.00

Water Warrior 2 10-30-2017 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blaine (Post 88424)
I think what it boils down too is that it is considered a "Stepping stone" bike & will not be kept long or put a lot of miles on before "Upgrading".....Their bigger engines are a better design....The 1400 is Self adjusting valves & no design flaws & easily go 100000 with no problems........My fault...I never did enough research before I took ownership.......As I stated in the spring she will be sold/traded for something bigger more reliable design......I'm hoping I can find a M90 that I like.

Shame on Suzuki. It may be that a stepping stone bike will be a different brand of the same size. A lot of riders don't want or need a larger bike. A lot of folks can't afford to trade up to a costlier bike. Older folks on a fixed income will not be able to purchase new wheels to ride just to get something without factory warts built in during the design stage.

Water Warrior 2 10-30-2017 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alantf (Post 88426)
Don't talk to me about cam chains !!!!!! Last week Jan's daughter's Renault was in for repair, so she borrowed our Citroen c3. It's 14 years old, but it's only done 122000 km (around 76000 miles) (small island) She was driving down the autopista (freeway?) when the timing belt decided to shatter. Luckily she managed to get across to the shoulder, and got the recovery to get her to the Citroen dealer. It's just cost me €975 (just over $1100) to get the engine rebuilt. >:(

Oh my. Sounds like an age related failure. The belt just got too old to be flexible. Sort of like tires getting old and the rubber gets hard and cracks.
It is sad that a low km vehicle with 14 years on it is likely worth less than the repair. It is the same with my Ranger with a 4.0 liter v6. With only 80,000 km on it after 10 years an engine replacement or rebuild is worth more than the truck.

blaine 10-30-2017 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Water Warrior 2 (Post 88436)
Shame on Suzuki. It may be that a stepping stone bike will be a different brand of the same size. A lot of riders don't want or need a larger bike. A lot of folks can't afford to trade up to a costlier bike. Older folks on a fixed income will not be able to purchase new wheels to ride just to get something without factory warts built in during the design stage.

Your right WW.....I love the size & feel of the bike.....I just can't get past the design flaw.I'm getting older & at my weight (150 lbs) the bike fits me perfectly.

Water Warrior 2 10-30-2017 06:01 PM

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Your right WW.....I love the size & feel of the bike.....I just can't get past the design flaw.I'm getting older & at my weight (150 lbs) the bike fits me perfectly.

You might want to check out and research what Kawasaki has to offer in the same size bike and displacement.
The c90 and m90 are a very nice bike and I actually looked at them closely a while back. They also need crash bars like the 50 series so you can drop them and roll them back up on 2 wheels with little effort. Enterprise makes a nice bar that does a great job of rolling the bike upright with old guy strength and effort. I tested the bars 2 times by accident while doing oil changes on Lynda's bike. I put the bars on the bike for Lynda and she never did drop it.

blaine 03-01-2018 04:08 PM

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Traded my M50 for a 06 Honda VTX 1300......A much nicer/more reliable bike IMO.....3500 kms........Spring can't come quick enough now,

Fawlty 03-02-2018 03:18 AM

That's a good looking machine Blaine. I have had a Honda ST1300 since last October. It is so smooth and powerful. Looking forward to doing some long distance touring on it.

Water Warrior 2 03-02-2018 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blaine (Post 88745)
Traded my M50 for a 06 Honda VTX 1300......A much nicer/more reliable bike IMO.....3500 kms........Spring can't come quick enough now,

That is a nice looking ride. A bit big for my taste but that doesn't really matter.

If Suzuki had the forethought to put ABS on a C-50 I would likely have one even with the engine issue. I test rode one a few years back and liked it even more than the M-50 that Lynda had. It was more comfy for me and has a lot more aftermarket support for stuff you may want. The M-50 is a bit more of a hot rod and handles better due to the different forks.

Patiently waiting for Spring and better temps. Should be interesting to see how well the Honda starts after sleeping all winter.


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