[Quimrider]

Good points. I've seen this discussed around the board too, I figured I'd put it here as a stand alone topic. I am aware that it discharges at idle That's why I said go for a ride. But I guess not everyone is aware of that. It would indeed be ideal to have your butt firmly planted in the seat before releasing the clutch but if you live on flat land as I do it's damn near impossible to get enuff speed for that and have it actually start. I do ride in the winter, just not very often. The battery wasn't completely discharged, it was just low enuff that it couldnt' start the bike. After a 25 minute ride it had charged enuff to start the bike again so I'm not too worried about the battery. I whole heartedly agree that if the battery is left to sit discharged for extended periods of time it is dead or it's life severely shortened.