Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights!

northsidegz · 07-13-2012, 01:51 PM

I don't know what it is, but when I get in the left hand lane (of a 4 lane highway, i.e. 2 lanes going each way with a median between the traffic), I have this nagging problem of thinking I need to "keep up" with traffic more closely than in the right hand lane.

Generally I ride in the right hand lane and don't worry about holding up others (which I don't really hold up others anyway, but I do make sure and leave a safe distance). But when I get in the left hand lane (i.e. I need to take a left at a light up ahead), I feel this sense of responsiblity to not have that same safe distance. :??: Very dumb.

Nearly got me in some big trouble yesterday. A whole bunch of us braked. VERY QUICKLY!!! I started to lose the the back tire twice, but recovered it both times and ended up in the left shoulder about a foot beyond the SUV in front of me (i.e., had I not gone over to the shoulder, there would have been impact). The guy behind me also swerved to the shoulder and was inches from me (thanks man, not sure what you were thinking or why you did that considering I practically gave you the whole lane since I was over to the left, but whatever).

Just glad it was fine in the end. No tipover. No dropped bike. No bumps or anything. But a lesson well learned. Don't follow so close or feel an obligtation to follow closer than you're comfortable with. Even in the lefthand lane. :whistle:

bonehead · 07-13-2012, 02:10 PM

That's the trouble with the brakes on the GZ, no bueno por caca!

Water Warrior 2 · 07-13-2012, 02:35 PM

Glad to hear you dodged the bullet. Coulda been a painful experience. When traffic bunches up there is a danger factor beyond all reason which I find hard to accept no matter what the cause.
Sounds like you had good control over the rear brake to avoid the back end from sliding out from under you. How is your front brake control? If it is a bit lacking you should practice threshold braking to ensure your best braking results for the fastest stops possible. The front does the most braking and is most effective in a case like yours.

Oh yeah, the wonderful brake lights on modern vehicles. My rant for the day. This is a sore spot with me. With all the nanny tech in vehicles now there should be a bright display(really annoying)on the dash to indicate any front or rear lights not functioning. All too many drivers and riders alike fail to do a light check on a regular basis to ensure a safe trip. It isn't rocket science, ultra time consuming or mind melting.
Call me paranoid or slightly twisted but I do a light check at the begining of the day whether it be the bike or cage. That means everyday if I am out and about. End of rant I think.

northsidegz · 07-13-2012, 03:30 PM

The hand brake definitely feels "soft" (is that the right word?) It doesn't feel like it reacts right away. Got to give it a good tug before it kicks in. Not sure what I can do about that. Would lubricating the cable help?

My pet peeve is the inability to see "through" or "around" vehicles these days. And it's not even just SUV's. Even some smaller cars, too. So many vehicles are shaping their car bodies and minimizing the rear glass that really makes it hard to see down the road. And I'm not complaining just on my motorcycle. In fact, I feel like I can see through/around SOME vehicles better on the motorcycle than I can in my Dodge Neon. But, in general, it seems like vehicles are being shaped differently lately that makes it harder to see past them and see what's going on down the road.

alantf · 07-13-2012, 04:28 PM

I think that one of the problems for car drivers is the thickness of the windscreen pillars. Nowadays they're part of the rigidity of the vehicles, and I know from experience that the pillars on my Citroen are so thick that it's very easy to miss someone stepping off the pavement (sidewalk) onto a pedestrian crossing.

While on the subject of brake lights - over here, I reckon that at least 50% of the vehicles have at least one brake light out. That's not including the ones with rear light and licence plates out - and by law we're obliged to carry spare bulbs on the vehicle. Mind you, modern vehicles (mine included) seem to make it so difficult to change a bulb that you need a full tool kit, a mirror, and half an hour of your time.

Water Warrior 2 · 07-13-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by northsidegz

The hand brake definitely feels "soft" (is that the right word?) It doesn't feel like it reacts right away. Got to give it a good tug before it kicks in. Not sure what I can do about that. Would lubricating the cable help?

No cable to lube. The front brake is hydraulic just like your car brakes. You may want to change the fluid and be sure to bleed the system properly to get better braking. Many older bikes never have a fluid change and that will cause less than optimum braking. If you do not feel confident in doing the job yourself you may as well pay a professional to do it. Brakes are the most important system on any vehicle. As for a good tug, you should concentrate on squeezing the brake progressively to get best braking. Less chance of a lock-up that will put you down.

JWR · 07-13-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by northsidegz

I started to lose the the back tire twice, but recovered it both times

The front brake will slow you down.
The back can lay you down.

Rookie Rider · 07-13-2012, 11:38 PM

Maybe you have to change the brake pads too.

northsidegz · 07-14-2012, 01:50 AM

Good to know. Thanks for the replies!

I'll have to have it checked out.

mrlmd1 · 07-15-2012, 10:00 AM

You said you started to lose the back tire twice but you recovered it. What did you mean? If the back tire starts to skid you have to keep on the brake so you don't highside when the tire regains traction. If you let off the rear brake when it slides you risk a disaster. When the front skids you let off the brake a bit, but keep standing on the rear if that one lets loose until the bike slows to a crawl or you absolutely straighten out in a perfectly straight line and have total control.

07-13-2012, 01:51 PM	#1
northsidegz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 305	Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! I don't know what it is, but when I get in the left hand lane (of a 4 lane highway, i.e. 2 lanes going each way with a median between the traffic), I have this nagging problem of thinking I need to "keep up" with traffic more closely than in the right hand lane. Generally I ride in the right hand lane and don't worry about holding up others (which I don't really hold up others anyway, but I do make sure and leave a safe distance). But when I get in the left hand lane (i.e. I need to take a left at a light up ahead), I feel this sense of responsiblity to not have that same safe distance. :??: Very dumb. Nearly got me in some big trouble yesterday. A whole bunch of us braked. VERY QUICKLY!!! I started to lose the the back tire twice, but recovered it both times and ended up in the left shoulder about a foot beyond the SUV in front of me (i.e., had I not gone over to the shoulder, there would have been impact). The guy behind me also swerved to the shoulder and was inches from me (thanks man, not sure what you were thinking or why you did that considering I practically gave you the whole lane since I was over to the left, but whatever). Just glad it was fine in the end. No tipover. No dropped bike. No bumps or anything. But a lesson well learned. Don't follow so close or feel an obligtation to follow closer than you're comfortable with. Even in the lefthand lane. :whistle: __________________ 1982 Suzuki GS450 Bobber (SOLD) 2000 Suzuki GZ250 (SOLD) 1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 800A (Present Ride) Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2012, 02:10 PM	#2
bonehead Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: elgin,tx Posts: 907	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! That's the trouble with the brakes on the GZ, no bueno por caca! __________________ Standing with the PGR until they stand for me.
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07-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#3
Water Warrior 2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Squamish B.C Canada Posts: 11,409	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! Glad to hear you dodged the bullet. Coulda been a painful experience. When traffic bunches up there is a danger factor beyond all reason which I find hard to accept no matter what the cause. Sounds like you had good control over the rear brake to avoid the back end from sliding out from under you. How is your front brake control? If it is a bit lacking you should practice threshold braking to ensure your best braking results for the fastest stops possible. The front does the most braking and is most effective in a case like yours. Oh yeah, the wonderful brake lights on modern vehicles. My rant for the day. This is a sore spot with me. With all the nanny tech in vehicles now there should be a bright display(really annoying)on the dash to indicate any front or rear lights not functioning. All too many drivers and riders alike fail to do a light check on a regular basis to ensure a safe trip. It isn't rocket science, ultra time consuming or mind melting. Call me paranoid or slightly twisted but I do a light check at the begining of the day whether it be the bike or cage. That means everyday if I am out and about. End of rant I think. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2012, 03:30 PM	#4
northsidegz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 305	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! The hand brake definitely feels "soft" (is that the right word?) It doesn't feel like it reacts right away. Got to give it a good tug before it kicks in. Not sure what I can do about that. Would lubricating the cable help? My pet peeve is the inability to see "through" or "around" vehicles these days. And it's not even just SUV's. Even some smaller cars, too. So many vehicles are shaping their car bodies and minimizing the rear glass that really makes it hard to see down the road. And I'm not complaining just on my motorcycle. In fact, I feel like I can see through/around SOME vehicles better on the motorcycle than I can in my Dodge Neon. But, in general, it seems like vehicles are being shaped differently lately that makes it harder to see past them and see what's going on down the road. __________________ 1982 Suzuki GS450 Bobber (SOLD) 2000 Suzuki GZ250 (SOLD) 1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 800A (Present Ride)
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07-13-2012, 04:28 PM	#5
alantf Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tenerife (Spain) Posts: 3,715	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! I think that one of the problems for car drivers is the thickness of the windscreen pillars. Nowadays they're part of the rigidity of the vehicles, and I know from experience that the pillars on my Citroen are so thick that it's very easy to miss someone stepping off the pavement (sidewalk) onto a pedestrian crossing. While on the subject of brake lights - over here, I reckon that at least 50% of the vehicles have at least one brake light out. That's not including the ones with rear light and licence plates out - and by law we're obliged to carry spare bulbs on the vehicle. Mind you, modern vehicles (mine included) seem to make it so difficult to change a bulb that you need a full tool kit, a mirror, and half an hour of your time. __________________ By birth an Englishman, by the grace of God a Yorkshireman. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2012, 11:38 PM	#8
Rookie Rider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 1,263	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! Maybe you have to change the brake pads too.
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07-14-2012, 01:50 AM	#9
northsidegz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 305	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! Good to know. Thanks for the replies! I'll have to have it checked out. __________________ 1982 Suzuki GS450 Bobber (SOLD) 2000 Suzuki GZ250 (SOLD) 1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 800A (Present Ride)
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07-15-2012, 10:00 AM	#10
mrlmd1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Crawfordville, Florida Posts: 2,853	Re: Hey dummy, look ahead for brake lights! You said you started to lose the back tire twice but you recovered it. What did you mean? If the back tire starts to skid you have to keep on the brake so you don't highside when the tire regains traction. If you let off the rear brake when it slides you risk a disaster. When the front skids you let off the brake a bit, but keep standing on the rear if that one lets loose until the bike slows to a crawl or you absolutely straighten out in a perfectly straight line and have total control.
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