My First Scary Moment

[mrlmd1]

I may be wrong, but I didn't think there was any ban on handguns in Canada, and I read that there are more guns in Canada/population than there are in the US. It's not the guns or their availability, it's the mentality of the population or society who owns them. See Michael Moore's movie, Bowling for Columbine, for example. When the whole society is brought up in fear (of whatever) and bad news is the only thing you see on TV, there are more gun crimes and murders.
How many locks do you have on the door of your house, garage, car, etc.? They don't bother to lock them all up in Canada like here because there's a different mentality of the society, and much less violent crime and murders. Don't blame the gun. If the gun wasn't there, those same people would use a knife or a bat.

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

. . . I read that there are more guns in Canada/population than there are in the US.

Handguns, concealed weapons, etc. are a totally different thing than hunting rifles, etc. in my book - but I'll say no more. It's our passion for bikes that unites this forum, some newer to that passion than others, but still. . . I like that, however we may feel about whatever, we all have that in common.

[mr. softie]

'Tis a thorny problem, kk my old son. You have another scenario in places like Darfur, where the only way to have any hope at all of survival is to be very well armed indeed. I agree with your assessment of our mentality BTW. The good old USA contains a large number of under educated and angry people, drunk a lot of the time, without hope or scruples, like the driver of the black truck in roscosmom's original post in this thread! He used his truck to intimidate her. We have 50,000 or so people die on our highways every year... how many in Canada? 3000 or so? We also live in a culture where we are taught to see mortal violence as the answer to our problems. Look at the typical TV cop show, the movies, or our own government. Hey, we don't like what they are doing lets bomb them and shoot them! I don't see Canada invading anybody. We even use our cars as weapons here. He cut me off! I'll show him! The whole culture is different in Canada, they don't lock their doors for example, even in the cities. Every Canadian could be armed and the murder rate would probably go down.

I used to own over 20 long guns and over 10 handguns. Assault rifles, tactical shotguns, high powered rifles, target rifles and pistols, semi-autos, revolvers, even a scoped pistol in 30-30 caliber. All fun as hell to shoot, and fun to own. I have never shot anybody, even though I get drunk and I get angry and emotional. But then I grew up shooting guns and am well grounded in gun safety. I shot at the Y and in Scouts and in High School. Today in America we marginalize guns with our sensationalizing. NEWS FLASH! Man found with arsenal! (3 bb guns and a 22). We romanticize their use in our TV and movies. Other than the gunshot victim falling down we see no consequences of the shooting. Not the lifetimes of pain, not the loved ones grief and loss. So when our moronic law abiding citizen with no background in the proper use and handling of guns goes to the gun show and buys one, it's like a time bomb. They leave it loaded in their house just in case a "perp" tries to "invade". Then their kid finds it and shoots his little sister, or the guy gets pissed at his wife and blows her away, or he has an argument over a parking spot and retrieves his weapon and...well you catch my drift I'm sure.

The answer is not in the banning of firearms but in the eventual correction of the basic flaws in our society. Lets educate people past the point where they think the Jerry Springer Show "is really a good show", create good paying jobs and some hope so they don't have to live like parasites. Have a course in school on proper gun handling and safety, maybe a rifle team even! Show the real consequences of gun violence. Make some service in the military a requirement for every citizen instead of having only a few of the poor and uneducated serve. Switzerland has more guns per person than we do, but every Swiss citizen has been taught in his two years of service how to respect and use weapons, and that guns are to be used on the enemy, not each other!

I could go on....

[patrick_777]

:plus1:

Let's try to stay on topic though. Or start a thread in the open forum.

[Water Warrior 2]

Okay, go to Off Topic Chit Chat.

[alantf]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

If the gun wasn't there, those same people would use a knife or a bat.

O.k. one last, quick point, then I'll quit............ Must agree with you. In England, knife crime's gone through the ceiling.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by kmkindred

I'm not looking to take away any of your guns, BTW. Just offering a different perspective.

How DARE you quote facts.......when the emotional arguements are so convincing.......for those who don't know the facts. :biggrin:

And one doesn't need a permit (or any kind of license in a lot of places) to have a gun in your house to shoot that guy who kicks in your door.

[music man]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

And one doesn't need a permit (or any kind of license in a lot of places) to have a gun in your house to shoot that guy who kicks in your door.

No but you better have a damn good lawyer, because he will sue you for traumatizing him during his robbery of your house. :facepalm:

[dan_]

Pig farm. They'll get rid of everything but the hair in like 12 hours.

[Water Warrior 2]

Originally Posted by dan_

Pig farm. They'll get rid of everything but the hair in like 12 hours.

Forensic evidence can and will be found. We had/have a good case of pig farmer vs the law and the law won. Lots or remains from far too many bodies.