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Flat Rear Tire
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SWASHBUCKLER Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:56 pm Posts: 4 Location: PENNSYLVANIA I ride: 1977 HODAKA SL250 1999 SUZUKI GZ250 2000 H.D. SPORTSTER 1200	Flat Rear Tire We recently punctured our rear tire and tried to get it plugged only to find out it is a tube tire. Having plugged the tire we are unsure if we should replace both tire and tube to be on the safe side. We can't figure out what size tube it takes because many of the tube sizes listed are not the metric size which we need. Tire is a 130/90-15 so what standard size tube would work and where is the best place to get tires and tubes?
Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:55 am

blaine Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:39 pm Posts: 796 Location: pei canada I ride: 1999 gz250 modified.SOLD. 1998 Suzuki esteem wagon 1990 kawasaki 454 LTD	Re: Flat Rear Tire The tire should have a vulcanized patch on the inside of the tire.Many 15 inch tubes will fit different width 15 inch tires as the tube expands to fill the tire. _________________ If at first you do succeed, try not to look surprised.
Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:05 pm

GZ250 Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 10:34 am Posts: 246 Location: North Carolina I ride: 2005 gz250	Re: Flat Rear Tire Contact your local store or http://www.bikebandit.com/ is a good place. A slightly bigger tube will be okay as well. Last fall I bought two tires and tubes from them. These are tubeless tires but on GZ you need a tube and tubes go with tubeless without a trouble. The tires are good. Just to clarify that the front tire is expensive than the rear. I did not understand this. Shinko 230 Tourmaster (rear) Continental Ultra TKV 11/12 (front)
Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:14 pm

Easy Rider Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 10:22 am Posts: 4356 Location: Champaign, Illinois I ride: '06 GZ (Gone but not forgotten) '07 VT600C Honda Shadow '01 SLS '02 GMC Sonoma '07 Case-IH DX34 '09 Cub Cadet	Re: Flat Rear Tire SWASHBUCKLER wrote: only to find out it is a tube tire. Having plugged the tire we are unsure if we should replace both tire and tube to be on the safe side. When the wheel has spokes, the tire has a tube. If it was a small, clean puncture, in the tread and NOT the sidewall.....then a plug and a new tube should be all that's required. If you took a BIG object, such that it made a big, uneven hole......OR the puncture was in the side-wall or the very edge of the tread....then you probably need tube AND a new tire. _________________ Loud pipes risk rights!
Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:47 pm

emory70 Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:55 pm Posts: 81 Location: jacksonville fl I ride: gz250 taurus wagon gmc envoy	Re: Flat Rear Tire spoke rims are usually tubeless, but the rebel 450 had tubeless rims. the rim was one piece with the spokes hooking to the rim, and the nipples were in the hub. _________________ STGMTT
Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:45 pm

blaine Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:39 pm Posts: 796 Location: pei canada I ride: 1999 gz250 modified.SOLD. 1998 Suzuki esteem wagon 1990 kawasaki 454 LTD	Re: Flat Rear Tire emory70 wrote: spoke rims are usually tubeless, but the rebel 450 had tubeless rims. the rim was one piece with the spokes hooking to the rim, and the nipples were in the hub. No,The other way around.Rims with spokes usually have tubes unless it is like the rebel that you speak of,or the wheel is cast. _________________ If at first you do succeed, try not to look surprised.
Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:15 pm

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire 36 spokes hooked into a rim means you have 36 places to leak air if no tube is used. Cast wheels usually are equiped with tubless tires but there are a few exceptions. If you have tubless tires on spoked wheels there is probably a tube inside. There are no ill effects running a tube in a tubeless tire. _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:15 am

blaine Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:39 pm Posts: 796 Location: pei canada I ride: 1999 gz250 modified.SOLD. 1998 Suzuki esteem wagon 1990 kawasaki 454 LTD	Re: Flat Rear Tire Water Warrior wrote: 36 spokes hooked into a rim means you have 36 places to leak air if no tube is used. Cast wheels usually are equiped with tubless tires but there are a few exceptions. If you have tubless tires on spoked wheels there is probably a tube inside. There are no ill effects running a tube in a tubeless tire. The spokes hook to the outside of the rim,leaving the rim one piece for tubeless tires.A lot of the MOTO GUZZI came with the same concept. Also the valve stem hole on a tubeless tire is larger to accommodate the valve stem. _________________ If at first you do succeed, try not to look surprised.
Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:20 am

dhgeyer Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:11 pm Posts: 594 Location: Merrimack NH USA I ride: 2009 BMW R1200R 2002 GZ250 2004 Toyota Prius 2007 Toyota Prius 2009 Toyota Prius	Re: Flat Rear Tire blaine wrote: The spokes hook to the outside of the rim,leaving the rim one piece for tubeless tires.A lot of the MOTO GUZZI came with the same concept. Also the valve stem hole on a tubeless tire is larger to accommodate the valve stem. BMW has made some models like that, although I don't think any of them are current. I could be wrong about the second statement. _________________ 54 HD Hummer,64 Honda150,66 Ducati250,01 Vulcan500,02 Vulcan1500,83 Nighthawk650,91 K75,95 VLX,04 VLX,01 GS500E,01 Ninja250, 02 Rebel,04 Ninja500,06 Concours,96 R850R
Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:46 am

blaine Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:39 pm Posts: 796 Location: pei canada I ride: 1999 gz250 modified.SOLD. 1998 Suzuki esteem wagon 1990 kawasaki 454 LTD	Re: Flat Rear Tire dhgeyer wrote: blaine wrote: The spokes hook to the outside of the rim,leaving the rim one piece for tubeless tires.A lot of the MOTO GUZZI came with the same concept. Also the valve stem hole on a tubeless tire is larger to accommodate the valve stem. BMW has made some models like that, although I don't think any of them are current. I could be wrong about the second statement. They are still used somewhat,but if you get a bent wheel they are very hard to get true again as they cannot be straightened the same as a conventional spoked wheel. _________________ If at first you do succeed, try not to look surprised.
Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:38 am

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire blaine wrote: Water Warrior wrote: 36 spokes hooked into a rim means you have 36 places to leak air if no tube is used. Cast wheels usually are equiped with tubless tires but there are a few exceptions. If you have tubless tires on spoked wheels there is probably a tube inside. There are no ill effects running a tube in a tubeless tire. The spokes hook to the outside of the rim,leaving the rim one piece for tubeless tires.A lot of the MOTO GUZZI came with the same concept. Also the valve stem hole on a tubeless tire is larger to accommodate the valve stem. Gotta disagree with you on the valve stem hole size. Vtrom came tubeless and later had a tube installed. No problems encountered with fit. Now back to tubeless, no problems. _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:11 pm

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire blaine wrote: dhgeyer wrote: blaine wrote: The spokes hook to the outside of the rim,leaving the rim one piece for tubeless tires.A lot of the MOTO GUZZI came with the same concept. Also the valve stem hole on a tubeless tire is larger to accommodate the valve stem. BMW has made some models like that, although I don't think any of them are current. I could be wrong about the second statement. They are still used somewhat,but if you get a bent wheel they are very hard to get true again as they cannot be straightened the same as a conventional spoked wheel. About 3 weeks ago in the local shop a fellow was picking up a slightly bent GS1200 rear wheel. It could not be trued due to it's size and construction. A complete rear wheel price tag would be a heart stopper. _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:16 pm

Easy Rider Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 10:22 am Posts: 4356 Location: Champaign, Illinois I ride: '06 GZ (Gone but not forgotten) '07 VT600C Honda Shadow '01 SLS '02 GMC Sonoma '07 Case-IH DX34 '09 Cub Cadet	Re: Flat Rear Tire Water Warrior wrote: Gotta disagree with you on the valve stem hole size. And you would be wrong. Sorry. The stem hole usually is larger for a tubless rim to accomodate the larger "pop in" stem that must seal the hole and hold pressure. The smaller stem of a tube fits in there just fine, however, and there is some reinforcement around the base of the stem that prevents it from bulging out. Sometimes there is even a ring you screw on the outside to firm it up even more. The smaller stem hole on a tube type rim should give you pause if you try to put a tubeless tire on it.......and the stem won't fit in the smaller hole. Alas, some folks are so dense that they drill out the hole to MAKE it fit. _________________ Loud pipes risk rights!
Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:21 pm

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire Easy, did you find this out from personal experience ? _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:26 pm

blaine Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:39 pm Posts: 796 Location: pei canada I ride: 1999 gz250 modified.SOLD. 1998 Suzuki esteem wagon 1990 kawasaki 454 LTD	Re: Flat Rear Tire Easy Rider wrote: Water Warrior wrote: Gotta disagree with you on the valve stem hole size. And you would be wrong. Sorry. The stem hole usually is larger for a tubless rim to accomodate the larger "pop in" stem that must seal the hole and hold pressure. The smaller stem of a tube fits in there just fine, however, and there is some reinforcement around the base of the stem that prevents it from bulging out. Sometimes there is even a ring you screw on the outside to firm it up even more. The smaller stem hole on a tube type rim should give you pause if you try to put a tubeless tire on it.......and the stem won't fit in the smaller hole. Alas, some folks are so dense that they drill out the hole to MAKE it fit. I have seen people doing this and sealing spoke nipples trying to convert to tubeless. _________________ If at first you do succeed, try not to look surprised.
Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:34 pm

Easy Rider Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 10:22 am Posts: 4356 Location: Champaign, Illinois I ride: '06 GZ (Gone but not forgotten) '07 VT600C Honda Shadow '01 SLS '02 GMC Sonoma '07 Case-IH DX34 '09 Cub Cadet	Re: Flat Rear Tire Water Warrior wrote: Easy, did you find this out from personal experience ? Right past the point of realizing that the stem wasn't going to fit........and going back to the shop to ask if they had a smaller one......... The good news is that nobody ELSE was in the shop at the time. _________________ Loud pipes risk rights!
Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:36 pm

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire Easy Rider wrote: Water Warrior wrote: Easy, did you find this out from personal experience ? Right past the point of realizing that the stem wasn't going to fit........and going back to the shop to ask if they had a smaller one......... The good news is that nobody ELSE was in the shop at the time. That is funny but worth the experience. I'm sure the shop guys knew you would be back. _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:28 pm

alantf Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:00 pm Posts: 1278 Location: Tenerife (Spain) I ride: '07 gz250 Citroen C3	Re: Flat Rear Tire Water Warrior wrote: Vtrom came tubeless and later had a tube installed. No problems encountered with fit. That's because you put a tube (with a small valve stem) into a hole (large diameter) designed for a tubeless valve. Try putting a tubeless valve (large diameter) into a tube hole (small diameter) & you'll see that it works one way, but not the other. _________________ By birth an Englishman, by the grace of God a Yorkshireman.
Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:53 am

Water Warrior Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Squamish, BC, Canada	Re: Flat Rear Tire alantf wrote: Water Warrior wrote: Vtrom came tubeless and later had a tube installed. No problems encountered with fit. That's because you put a tube (with a small valve stem) into a hole (large diameter) designed for a tubeless valve. Try putting a tubeless valve (large diameter) into a tube hole (small diameter) & you'll see that it works one way, but not the other. Alright already! You win, I admit to having a senior moment. _________________ 05 VStrom 650 06 Marauder 250 sold 07 M-50 Suzuki
Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:03 pm

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