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dentheman 05-13-2010 12:56 PM

New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
I noticed the photos of the 2010 GZ show some new device added behind the horn. Does anyone know what that is, and how it will affect performance?

Sarris 05-13-2010 01:03 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
I looked at the photos and it looks to me like some sort of new evaporative emission control for gas fumes (??)

BTW, there are only a few 2010 Suzi models and the GeeZer is one.

Let us know if you find out something different.

:cool:

dentheman 05-13-2010 01:16 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
All I know is it is ugly and detracts from the GZ's looks. Suzuki should have mounted it somewhere less noticeable.

alantf 05-13-2010 01:42 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dentheman
I noticed the photos of the 2010 GZ show some new device added behind the horn. Does anyone know what that is, and how it will affect performance?

I've not seen the photos. Where are they? Sounds like the crankcase ventilation system that's on my 2007 European model, but without the pictures I can't say.

dentheman 05-13-2010 04:07 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alantf
Quote:

Originally Posted by dentheman
I noticed the photos of the 2010 GZ show some new device added behind the horn. Does anyone know what that is, and how it will affect performance?

I've not seen the photos. Where are they? Sounds like the crankcase ventilation system that's on my 2007 European model, but without the pictures I can't say.

On the Suzuki site. I just search suzuki to get their site.

Water Warrior 2 05-13-2010 08:50 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Shouldn't affect performance at all. It is probably just the charcoal cannister that collects gas fumes and holds them until the engine burns them off. No maintenance required either so no need to mess with it. Your bikes contribution to clean air.

dentheman 05-13-2010 11:48 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
It doesn't look like a cannister, but more like a pressure sensor or valve.

alantf 05-14-2010 04:46 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Does it look like this? If so it's the crankcase ventilation. Nothing to do with emission control.[attachment=0:wh3eyr0e]Bike 018.JPG[/attachment:wh3eyr0e]
http://s2.postimage.org/syCL0.jpg

music man 05-14-2010 06:27 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
The GZ already has crankcase ventilation, straight into the air breather case, so now it has two different crankcase vents?

GZ250 05-14-2010 09:04 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
something similar as alantf has on his bike (see near the horn). experts can explain better. i think the turn signals is also more oval in this. picture from suzuki.com

can you explain what this extra ventilation will help in doing?

alantf 05-14-2010 09:27 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by music man
The GZ already has crankcase ventilation, straight into the air breather case, so now it has two different crankcase vents?

The one on my bike goes to a T-piece, then to the petcock suction system. The other end goes via a steel pipe to a point at the front, below the cooling fins. Never have been able to work out what EXACTLY it did. Even posted the question on this site, but no one was able to come up with a definitive answer. :cry:

Easy Rider 05-14-2010 09:57 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alantf
Does it look like this? If so it's the crankcase ventilation. Nothing to do with emission control.

Crankcase fumes are just a different kind of emission !!
PCV is a form or emission control.......just not the kind that usually comes to mind first. :tup:

The old method of just routing the crankcase vent hose to the air cleaner was "cheap and dirty" and didn't really work that good. If you add a little pressure (or suction) at the right point, the system becomes much better at capturing the fumes.....and less likely to plug up your paper air filter.

Water Warrior 2 05-14-2010 11:08 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Oh ya, that little item. We went through this before with no clear definition although a breather control seems likely. Could be something Suzuki put on to keep idle minds from stagnating.

bonehead 05-14-2010 11:25 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
I'd like to see what and where it is hooked up to.

prestondrnek 06-14-2010 09:43 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
just by looking at the picture its a Air Injection Valve helps emissions by injecting air into the exhaust near the exhaust valve, helps burn the unburnt fuel in the header, doesnt hurt or help the performance.

Water Warrior 2 06-14-2010 11:44 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by prestondrnek
just by looking at the picture its a Air Injection Valve helps emissions by injecting air into the exhaust near the exhaust valve, helps burn the unburnt fuel in the header, doesnt hurt or help the performance.

Kinda doubt that. Then the bike would need some sort of injection pump.

alantf 06-15-2010 05:34 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by prestondrnek
just by looking at the picture its a Air Injection Valve helps emissions by injecting air into the exhaust near the exhaust valve, helps burn the unburnt fuel in the header, doesnt hurt or help the performance.

No. Like I said earlier, it's something to do with crank case ventilation. One side goes to the front of the crank case via a rubber tube, then a metal pipe. The other end goes to the petcock via a T-piece to the suction.

prestondrnek 06-15-2010 05:53 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
well this system is on alot of new bikes that are still carbureted, vacuum from the carb is used to power that "mistery" device you guys are speaking of, it gulps in tiny bits of air and injects it into the head near the exhaust port.

prestondrnek 06-15-2010 05:55 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
where does the hose lead to? one probably comes from the airbox, a tiny vacuum line from the carb, and an output hose to a metal tube located on top of the head.

Water Warrior 2 06-15-2010 06:11 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by prestondrnek
well this system is on alot of new bikes that are still carbureted, vacuum from the carb is used to power that "mistery" device you guys are speaking of, it gulps in tiny bits of air and injects it into the head near the exhaust port.

Are you thinking of an Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve ?? High vacuum at idle would hold the valve closed and it would open up with less vacuum and more RPM to help burn off unburnt gases from the cylinder. This was a bandage solution on 70's cars and most folks pulled the vacuum line off and plugged it with a golf T.

prestondrnek 06-15-2010 09:47 PM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
no not an EGR valve

alantf 06-16-2010 04:35 AM

Re: New gizmo on 2010 GZ.
 
If you read my earlier reply, you'll see that I'VE GOT THIS DEVICE on my 2007 European GZ. It DEFINITELY doesn't go anywhere near the head. It goes to the CRANK CASE! The other end goes (via a T - piece) to the suction at the petcock.


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